Tuesday, June 06, 2006

If you've ever wanted to see what denial looks like...

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This one is just begging for the take-no-prisoner stylings of Nemo and ML.

Rocco "Hey, that is my real name" DiPippo over at the Autonomist has definitlely put the wing in wingnuts with his latest post.

My favorite line is when he calls Carter "the worst president ever".

Riiiight.

I've clashed swords a couple of times over at the Autonomist. Don't get me wrong, they're pretty bright over there. It's just that not one of the contributors knows how the world operates outside of extreme right-wing theory. I believe one of my comments to them as to why I like to visit their site is that it's actually like watching children play: So innocent and uncomplicated by doubt and so unaware of the real world around them.

If you imagine what it would be like if everyone believed everything they were taught in high school Civics and World History, you have the gang over there.

Enjoy.

10 Comments:

Anonymous ML said...

Trivia question: what do Carter, Clinton, George H. W. Bush, and neocons Cheney, Perle, powell, and Rumsfeld have in common?

Answer: all are or were members of the Trilateral Commission at one time.

That said, it comes as no surprise that the Autonomist is completely ignorant of the Trilateral Commission.

Carter was definitely the finest president in my lifetime, though he's not without his own blemishes as president (and I don't mean the Iran hostage crisis). Such a compliment is akin to saying "That was the most delicious shit sandwich I ever ate." One doesn't preside over the empire without taking part in some of its darker actions. The most damning thing about Carter is his membership and participation in the Trilateral Commission, an elite group of powerful multimillionaire capitalists that works to increase the rights and powers of corporations and diminish the rights and powers of individuals. The Trilateral Commission is one of the main groups promoting globalization, the expansion of corporate rights on the international scene, which has resulted in environmental catastrophes around the world, and plummeting wages and standards of living for the world's working classes. Zbigniew Brzezinski is among Carter's most nefarious associates, and a member the Council on Foreign Relations, Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the National Endowment for Democracy: three very dangerous and antidemocratic millionaire's clubs with flowery names.

There are three main organizations of multimillionaires/business elites that dictate most of western politics, at least insofar as how western politics allows big business (read: corporations) to operate and flourish. They are the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, and the Council on Foreign Relations. These groups essentially control the WTO, NAFTA, the World Bank, and many conservative and pro-business think tanks. Any time a Republican or Democrat is selected as a presidential candidate, they have the tacit approval of these three groups, and, even more likely, the candidates may even belong to one or more of these groups. That is why nothing tangible ever changes in American politics, regardless of the party in control. Americans only have control over tame social issues such as gay marriage and abortion: any control of social issues such as health care, pensions, job security, and social security are already spoken for by big business and is illusory.

To be fair and to his credit, Carter has since resigned from the Trilateral Commission, but the damage was done. I have not yet heard him renounce the commission's goals and mission. Beware ruling elites bearing the flowery rhetoric of political posturing.

Tue Jun 06, 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

They are the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, and the Council on Foreign Relation



ML, please oh please oh please don't tell me you believe shadowy groups control our world destiny.There are enough really bad things going on without going all X-Files.

Yes,strangely named groups of rich white men get together to party with prostitutes and network about whatever business they have but I swear to God if you bring world domination, mind control, or the "Illuminati" into this blog I will ban you for being a raving lunatic.

Tue Jun 06, 07:30:00 PM  
Anonymous ML said...

I don't really waste time with the "illuminati," the freemasons, UFOs, aliens, mind control, and the eye in the pyramid crap.

But there does exist powerful groups of millionaires, billionaires, and businesspersons that are well-represented in US and Western governments. You can look up the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, and the Council on Foreign Relations yourself. Start with Wikipedia, follow some of Wikipedia's links for more information. You will learn these three groups do exist, are closely related, and almost every major politician or political advisor is a member of one or more of these three groups. Their agenda is indeed one of world government by the financial elites, and the phrase "New World Order" is commonly used in their vocabularies. Bilderberg is the smallest group and the most shadowy of the three. The other two are a bit more open as far as their meetings, members, and speeches. All three groups are the origin of globalization, and the implementation of globalization is to get governments to sign away their sovereignty to global finacial entities such as the WTO and World Bank. Do these groups have COMPLETE control over world destiny? Of course not. Are these groups positioned in places of power to have more influence over world destiny than any other group? Absolutely. And these three groups make Skull and Bones look like a sewing club.

In their own words, here's what one member of the CFR has to say:

"The Trilateral Commission doesn't run the world, the Council on Foreign Relations does that!" -Winston Lord, former president of the CFR, U.S. Ambassador to China during the Reagan Administration and Assistant Secretary of State for Asian and Pacific Affairs under Clinton.

There are many web sites devoted to exposing these groups. Some indulge in more unsupported speculation than others. The Modern History Project is one of the better sites. It's worth reading. Twice.

Exploring outside the box of American mythology exposes one to many uncomfortable realities. You can deny their existence and influence if you like, but what other clubs of elites have had 50% or higher representation in every US presidential cabinet since Carter, with control of the US Presidency as their stated goal?

One of the links I provided was an analysis of the Trilateral Commission by Chomsky. He may be a soft Zionist, but he's hardly a raving lunatic.

As always, follow the money, and play close attention to the connections.

Tue Jun 06, 10:22:00 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

Goddamn, you make my head hurt.

Tue Jun 06, 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous ML said...

Sorry. It's a lot of coplex and disturbing information to digest.

When you ask difficult questions and seek answers with intellectual honesty, one often finds difficult and uncomfortable answers. Remember the forbidden apple was from the Tree of Knowledge: in the mythological Garden of Eden, ignorance was bliss. The more you seek to understand, the more difficult the realizations become.

It takes years of historical exploration and reeducation to cast off what everyone believed they were taught in high school Civics and World History. You, Robert, have already made most of that journey on your own. Kudos.

Tue Jun 06, 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous ML said...

Looks like Venezuela's Chavez has pissed off the Bilderberg Group, which meets at the posh Brook Street Resort a few miles from Ottawa, Canada, June 8-11, in two days. Chavez opposes NAFTA, and his oil policies are fromned upon at Bilderberg. Capitalists don't like pricey oil, and they especially disdain leaders like Chavez who truly help whe working class. Bush will be sending his own entourage to attend. I wonder if activists will use catapults to pummel the resort with flying teddy bears again?

Wed Jun 07, 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger Again said...

ml, you forgot the Heritage Foundation

i guess, it's also part of that inextricable Seilschaft of the Rich

"oh, what a tangled web I've woven" - cited nemo some time ago

that's btw the meaning of "Seilschaft" - a mostly secretly working network (Leo calls it "insider relationship") of accomplices, very, very hard to destroy: the Seilschaft of the Nazis worked until the 1970s - and it pushed Nazis in high positions even in a "Rechtsstaat", struggling against them. I know well the name "Filbinger" - a prime minister of one of our "rightest" countries (btw: until today), who was forced to go because he really had been a judge (AFAIK) of the Nazis, passing "judgement according to law" to torture, murder and maim

Seilschaften - never underestimate their power!

Thu Jun 08, 12:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

I, for one, would like to *heartily* commend ML for these various, highly intriguing insights and links. Those MKULTRA / ARTICHOKE leads, among other things, have supplemented my own rather limited knowledge immensely. As a result, I typically feel compelled to pull myself up sharply *whenever* tempted to instinctively "balk", since I've come to the conclusion that in several areas ML strongly appears to have simply peeled away a few more layers of the "onion" than I. ==== Beware the "flat earth" mentality! What once passed readily for "far-fetched" is now almost *intuitive* in this 21st Century version of Orwell's "1984". ==== Hats off, ML! You remind me ever more of Fletcher Prouty, whose once "highly speculative" insights on the JFK assassination and the culture it transpired under now seem a veritable "Michelin Guide to Amerika."

Thu Jun 08, 05:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

ML: Having said all that -- and I don't retract a word of it -- I must say that, for a "historical" site", I find the Modern History Project rather wanting. The thick undertones there of possible "John Birch Society" (or similar) influences are pretty difficult to miss -- Reinhold Niebuhr described emphatically as a "pro-communist", Lester MADDOX quoted as a would-be "worthy" critic of Jimmy Carter??. ==== While I'm sure it has some of its facts straight, its emotional rhetoric -- vaguely suggesting a "Communist" conspiracy, rather than the obviously *Capitalist* machinations they depict -- is extremely dissuading, to say the least. And I'm unable to locate any "About" topic or professed origins or affiliations for the site, which seems rather curious for a nominally "academic" [history] resource. ==== I'm not suggesting that MHP's assertions are entirely "off the wall", since they may well jibe with more reputable sources you've consulted along the way -- I've often posted scathing editorials uncritically, simply because their statements jibe totally with my own knowledge of the facts from independent sources. But the MHP site, like those editorials, makes a poor "first reference" due to its fairly clear "doctrinal" biases. It's undoubtedly thought-provoking, but it nevertheless comes off as less than innately credible, owing to that *ideological* axe to grind it exhibits, which causes many of its arguments and observations to fall flat, in my view.

Thu Jun 08, 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

"... It's fitting that Jimmy Carter, an apologist for terrorists like Arafat and Castro, leftist thugs like Hugo Chavez and the terror group, Hamas, would take money from the family that birthed the most notorious murderer of this century." ~The Autonomist diatribe. ==== Robert: How could I possibly argue with impeachable logic like that? ;-) ==== Judging from that one *astounding* assertion alone, it's obvious to me that the author of that screed lives under a rock somewhere, and has not the *slightest* clue regarding history, recent or otherwise. ==== "Terrorists like Castro"?? If Fidel had a dollar for every time the US government tried to bump him off or covertly meddled maliciously in the affairs of his country -- up to and including conducting covert biological warfare against its citizens! -- he'd actually *have* that "immense fortune" fictitiously attributed to him recently by US propaganda. ==== "Leftist thugs like Hugo Chavez"?? Thugs is a term far more befitting those US interlopers who clearly sponsored the abortive coup attempt against Venezuela's indisputably *democratically* elected President. And if beneficent acts like providing free cataract surgery to the world's poor and subsidizing America's own "underclass" with affordable heating oil are "thuggery", then we could certainly use LOTS more of that from our *unelected* dictatorship and a lot less of the pious BUllSHit about "liberation" and "democracy" that smokescreens our own rapidly dwindling freedoms. ==== "The family that birthed the most notorious murderer of this century"?? Exactly what administration WAS it that went to exorbitant lengths to absolutely insure that every member of that family (and a good many other "suspect" Saudis) could hastily depart the "scene of the crime" -- without so much as an FBI interview -- *before* commercial aviation was even restored??? (Can you say, "Bush"?) ==== What an outlandish crock of utter nonsense! Alas, there's very little point in arguing with the scribblers of such patently absurd, partisan rants. Even cataract surgery is unlikely to cure THAT severe a degree of "blindness"!

Thu Jun 08, 08:20:00 AM  

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