Friday, July 14, 2006

Can you say "asymmetrical"


Hezbollah drone battles Israeli warship

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah rammed an Israeli warship with an unmanned aircraft rigged with explosives Friday, setting it ablaze after Israeli warplanes smashed Lebanon's links to the world one by one and destroyed the headquarters of the Islamic guerrilla group's leader.
The ramming of the Israeli missile warship indicated Hezbollah has added a new weapon to the arsenal of rockets and mortars it has used against Israel. The Israeli army said the ship carrying several dozen sailors suffered severe damage and was set on fire. Several hours after the attack, the fire was put out and the ship was being towed back to Israel.



Anonymous Nemo said...

Robert: Grin seconded, EAR TO EAR!: Hizbullah leader: 'You wanted open war. We are ready for an open war' [The Guardian UK] ==== ... Hizbullah's chief, Hassan Nasrallah, threatened "open war" against Israel, hinting at rocket attacks deep inside the country. He made his threat shortly after he survived an air raid on his home that appeared to be an assassination attempt. "You wanted an open war and we are ready for an open war," he said in a taped statement. ==== Last night an Israeli naval vessel, 10 miles off the coast of Beirut, was badly damaged when it was hit by an unmanned Hizbullah aircraft packed with explosives. Four sailors were reported missing after a blaze on board. The vessel was last night being towed back to Israel. ==== Hizbullah's al-Manar TV reported that guerrillas had targeted the warship after it fired missiles into south Beirut. "Now in the middle of the sea, facing Beirut, the Israeli warship that has attacked the infrastructure, people's homes and civilians - look at it burning," [Hizbullah's chief] Mr. Nasrallah said. ...

Fri Jul 14, 09:51:00 PM  
Anonymous (NSA sucks my dogs butt leakage) said...

Hopefully this report is accurate, and in such case, it is worth a big grin.


Now while the warship damage likely occurred, it's much more likely that a kamikaze piloted aircraft with some explosives on board, or a low grade missile hit the Israeli piece of ship. (Soooo hard to resist that "t".) It could also be a screwup by Israeli Naval Forces, which was blamed on a nonexistent attack from Hezbollah. "Drone" technology is far more complex than your average radio controlled model aircraft, and most modern warships have electronic defenses to jam such attacks. However, in the western media, a "Pilotless Drone" has propaganda value a million times the value of an actual drone in combat. My suggestion is to be aware of a changing story here over the next few days (assuming nukes don't fly by then).

Fri Jul 14, 11:17:00 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

That's the fun thing. When this story first broke this afternoon, the "unmanned drone" had only caused a small fire on the ship. Now, you have at least four sailors missing, the ship abalze, and taken under tow.

Reports have the ship about ten miles off the coast when it was hit. Hell of a shot.

We shall see.

I'm taking all first reports with a grain of sand. Second, third, and fourth as well.

Sat Jul 15, 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

Second grain of sand, sir!

Israel drones on...

Israel said four Israeli servicemen were missing after the attack on the vessel, which reports said was hit either by a rocket or an explosives-laden drone. Another civilian ship, believed to be Egyptian, was also hit and set ablaze, Israel said.


A rocket???

Those feeble Katyushas and Qassams look more like a grade-school model rocket club's toy than they do serious weapons (though even a model rocket misfire could occasionally do some damage, I suppose). Hardly worth the hysteria, though, when the region is faced with Israel's nuclear WMDs. And the high-explosive munitions and missiles Israel has been dropping on its neighbors all day.

But, watch the story-go-round-and-round!

Maybe Putin will kick some ass...

Sat Jul 15, 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

This needs to be spread throughout blogdom. Hezbollah didn't start this on behalf of Iran or Syria: the IDF provoked it by crossing into Lebanon first.

Here's the missing part of the story, courtesy of the Asia Times:

It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory.

Of course, western media omitted this crucial fact. Lied to, yet again.

Sat Jul 15, 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger Robert said...

Dead on about the Katyushas. They are not great area weapons. They have to hit their target dead-on to be lethal.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't a couple coming down in my neighborhood, but the media is making them out to be the second coming of the Scud, and they're not.

Sat Jul 15, 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

Israel would only have one abducted soldier if the IDF hadn't crossed into Lebanon and provoked Hezbollah first.

Speaking of abductions, here's what provoked the capture of Gilad Shalit, courtesy of Noam Chomsky. Guess what? It wasn't started by Iran or Syria:

"Gaza, itself, the latest phase, began on June 24. It was when Israel abducted two Gaza civilians, a doctor and his brother. We don't know their names. You don't know the names of victims. They were taken to Israel, presumably, and nobody knows their fate. The next day, something happened, which we do know about, a lot. Militants in Gaza, probably Islamic Jihad, abducted an Israeli soldier across the border. That's Corporal Gilad Shalit. And that's well known; first abduction is not. Then followed the escalation of Israeli attacks on Gaza, which I don't have to repeat. It's reported on adequately."

Methinks Israel doth protest too much.

Sat Jul 15, 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

The rapture-ready crowd creams their panties.

These people need some serious help: where is Jim Jones when you need him?

Sat Jul 15, 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Anyone heard any details about this *newer* version of the Katyusha? That development might explain a few things: Hezbollah Rockets Hit Haifa, Israel Attacks Beirut Airport Twice [The New York Times] ==== ... Hezbollah in turn fired more than 120 Katyusha rockets and mortars into Israel on Thursday, Israeli officials said, killing one woman drinking coffee on her balcony in Nahariya and a man in Safed and wounding more than 100 other Israelis in some 20 towns and villages, including Haifa, Safed and Carmiel. Hezbollah said it was using a new rocket, the Thunder 1, more advanced than the standard Katyusha. ...

Sat Jul 15, 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

Anyone heard any details about this *newer* version of the Katyusha?

My guess it's the same as the old Katyusha, with a couple of strike anywhere matches taped to the nose cone. Of course, Israel will call it a WMD.


Sat Jul 15, 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

ML: In support of yours above (and in full recognition of the right's notorious enmity for all things Chomsky), Gideon Levy -- of the ISRAELI newpaper Haaretz -- had *also* identified that precipitating event as of July 2. This negligent, "See No [Israeli] Evil" posture adopted by the bulk of the media concerning the *IDF* spark that actually ignited the Gaza fuse has clearly constituted a deliberate propaganda campaign in favor of the radical Zionist leadership: A Black Flag, by Gideon Levy [Haaretz; Sunday 02 July 2006] ==== ... The legitimate basis for the IDF's operation was stripped away the moment it began. It's no accident that nobody mentions the day before the attack on the Kerem Shalom fort, when the IDF kidnapped two civilians, a doctor and his brother, from their home in Gaza. The difference between us and them? We kidnapped civilians and they captured a soldier, we are a state and they are a terror organization. How ridiculously pathetic Amos Gilad sounds when he says that the capture of Shalit was "illegitimate and illegal," unlike when the IDF grabs civilians from their homes. How can a senior official in the defense ministry claim that "the head of the snake" is in Damascus, when the IDF uses the exact same methods? ...

Sat Jul 15, 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

I'm so sick of Iran and Syria being blamed for events in Gaza and Lebanon that were provoked by Israel in the first place.

It's like blaming everything bad that happens in New Jersey on California and Alaska. Disingenuous racists.

Sat Jul 15, 01:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

While Bush lopsidedly waxes obliviously about the Zionist Empire's "right to defend itself" (via massive reprisals directed indiscriminately against civilians and essential infrastructure), other, innately respectable and *credible* world leaders clearly suffer no such warped "delusions" about Israel's intent. (Of course, in the twisted mind of our burn-out, presidential PINHEAD, the Palestinians and Lebanese apparently possess NO similar rights, even when engaged in *legitimate*, notably proportional retaliations against the monstrous campaign of state terrorism being directed at them by Israel.) ==== Russia's Mister Putin has consistently risen in my esteem, especially as he continues to deftly put this US Presi-dunce squarely in his place: Putin Chides President's Comment on Democracy ==== In a chilly summit prelude, President Bush blocked Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization on Saturday and President Vladimir Putin mockingly said Moscow doesn't want the kind of violence-plagued democracy the United States has fostered in Iraq. ... . [Note: Yet *another* great photo of a beleaguered Bush accompanies this article.]

Sat Jul 15, 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Again said...

(nemo, thanks for the Haaretz-link: good to know that humanity has survived in Israel)


Putin Chides President's Comment on Democracy

you read my thoughts - actually i stumbled across the same and laughed my (ooops) head off...

imagine that: Bush really said (literally)

"And I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same thing."

free press and free religion LIKE IRAQ - imagine that...

Barbara "Marie Antoinette" Bush, that happens whey you are not able to teach your boy how to read and write - the result of inbreeding of the rich and powerful...

just a joke...

but then i thought of you, nemo, ml, robert, all the "lefties" - and i (please excuse me!!) felt pity. I know how it feels to be forced to feel ashamed just because you are part of a nation - and i thought how i felt about all the american movies and serials mocking about the stupid Nazis...

you have my dearest, deepest sympathy

Sun Jul 16, 04:22:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

I've been ashamed of my nation for decades now. Call me a stateless prisoner of conscience.

Sun Jul 16, 07:14:00 AM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

I can't say assymetrical, but I can say proxy wars :-)

Sun Jul 16, 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

I can't say assymetrical, but I can say proxy wars. ==== PolU: Hmmmmm! I think you've definitely *scored* with that observation! And while the Western media rails about the *possibility* that Iran is "to blame" for the Lebanese Hezbollah contingent's upgraded [guided?] missiles -- now proposed as the culprit in that successful strike on the Israeli warship -- who in the press rightly condemns the *US* for supplying Israel with those F16's it's currently using to massacre civilians?? What an amazingly hypocritical CROCK of shit! (Count me squarely on the side of the "Islamo-fascists" in this one -- they clearly have FAR more justification than the Ziono-Fascists!)

Sun Jul 16, 06:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

"I know how it feels to be forced to feel ashamed just because you are part of a nation ... you have my dearest, deepest sympathy. Again: Much appreciated. I am DEEPLY ashamed of this sordid, spineless pandering to the rogue state of Israel by our US "leadership" (among MANY other misdeeds, of course)! The historical parallel that comes immediately to mind is that of the Spanish Civil War, wherein the forces of Fascism lent tacit approval and *active* military support to the anti-democratic forces of Generalissimo Francisco Franco. Think "Guernica", and you'll know *exactly* what I mean. The Bush Regime is now playing an equally odious, pivotal role in tacitly encouraging these outright atrocities by Israel! ("Calling for restraint"? What the HELL is that mealy-mouthed horseshit supposed to mean?? If this government "meant business" in any way, it would simply threaten to cut off Israel completely from US foreign aid, as it should have done LONG ago. Instead, it ostensibly advises: "By all means, proceed with your slaughter, but do try to 'take it easy'." WTF???)

Sun Jul 16, 07:01:00 PM  
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