Saturday, July 29, 2006

When the little guys fight back


Israel pulls out of Hezbollah stronghold


Israel's pullback of its forces from the border town of Bint Jbail ended the bloodiest siege in what has so far been only a limited ground incursion into southern Lebanon. Israel has said it will carry out a number of such incursions rather than launch a full-fledged invasion.

The weeklong battle underscored Israel's difficulty in pushing back guerrillas who have been preparing for years for this fight, building up arsenals and digging in with tunnels and shelters in caves.

Bombardment by Israeli forces and rocket fire from guerrillas was intense Saturday morning around the Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese security officials said.

But by Saturday afternoon, Israel had withdrawn. Maj. Gen. Udi Adam, head of Israel's northern command, said Israel never intended to occupy Bint Jbail or to get "stuck in one place." He insisted the real mission — "to destroy infrastructure and kill terrorists" — had been a success.


Not so easy when your targets can shoot back, now is it?

Despite the fact that the mighty IDF threw everything they had at Bint Jbail, they were turned back.

Despite the best armor and air support the United States can supply, despite days of pounding by artillery, they took dozens of casualties and were forced to withdraw without taking their objective.

As a matter of fact, it seems both imperial powers at work in the region are really great at killing large numbers of civilians from high altitude. But when it comes to actually standing and fighting, things seem to fall all to pieces.

Careful guys, or people might start to wonder which side God is really on.

14 Comments:

Anonymous Nemo said...

Robert: Encouraging news, indeed! The "4th Generation Warriors" of Hezbollah have obviously proven themselves a *significant* obstacle to Israel's Imperial Stormtroopers. Agreed, those facile allegations of a highly "limited" objective sound like sheer "damage control", nothing more. Hezbollah's heroic resistance to the Israeli onslaught has quite taken the wind out of those Zionist sails! ==== As a result, Olmert is facing stiffening resistance on the domestic front to his hasty Blitzkrieg scheme. Reports in The Guardian recently show he's increasingly come under fire, even in the Knesset, from Israelis facing a *very* different reality than any quick, "glorious victory". It seems the citizens there realize full well that the troops will NOT be "home before the leaves fall", and that a good many will not be coming home at ALL, should this hopelessly flawed policy continue. ==== Of course, a great many Israelis were opposed from the very start to their government's Nazi-like notions of "reprisal", on strictly moral grounds. But they're rapidly being reinforced by otherwise supportive "realists", who now clearly see the die that's been cast via the folly of the Olmert government.

Sun Jul 30, 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

"... As a matter of fact, it seems both imperial powers at work in the region are really great at killing large numbers of civilians from high altitude. ..." ==== Robert: This is perhaps the most devastating statement -- among many -- describing modern US and Israeli notions of "warfare". The air forces of both countries have been relegated to the utterly ignoble tasks of mass assassination, butchery, and large-scale demoloition. *Neither* country has faced *any* equivalent force in the lands they've assaulted of late. Yet each utilizes its immense airborne arsenal as an utterly unchallengeable weapon of mass destruction. That, to me, is the utmost cowardice any nation's military could indulge itself in. ==== We and the Zionists of Israel have adopted the very Blitzkrieg tactics the Nazis employed.. But the Luftwaffe -- to its credit -- had to face actual *resistance* to its aerial onslaughts. Our own country, in particular, opts to eliminate all effective defenses against air attack first (via cruise missiles, etc.) and only *then* conducts its massive, indiscriminate bombing campaigns against a defenseless population. That is the mark of a truly savage nation! And in that regard, we have utterly surpassed the Nazis in our capacity for unbridled evil.

Sun Jul 30, 12:48:00 AM  
Blogger Again said...

Despite the fact that the mighty IDF threw everything they had at Bint Jbail, they were turned back.

Fine. Good

and to be clear - that's not a statement about Israel or Hezbollah - it's a statement about learning and intelligence. Because if failures are awarded the individuals never learn - that's why the rich show signs of inbreeding after some generations (see Bush) and because it is good when not only poor no-names have to pay for the mistakes of the Prostitutes of Power

btw: Israel pays for the weapons since years (and USA, btw) - and i heard rumors, that Israel prefers paying for weapons to paying her officers - and the Wall is very expensive - Israel simply can't afford (in Dollar and Cent) the war for long, i guess

<acid cynicism>if decency can't convince Israel not to kill babies - maybe her creditors will some day </acid cynicism>

Sun Jul 30, 04:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Now THIS is a *formidable* organization. It's little wonder they're prevailing against the overwhelming technical "might" of the Israeli hordes. They are smart, supremely dedicated, exceptionally well-disciplined, and impeccably *patient*. Moreover, they exude righteous confidence without seeming remotely "cocky". This is truly a force to be reckoned with, against whom Israel will not likely succeed. These are *seasoned* Fourth Generation Warriors, against whom NO state apparatus should expect to ultimately prevail through mere force of arms: As the Shells Fall Around Them, Hezbollah Men Await the Israelis [Guardian, UK]. ==== [No "excerpt" would do this justice.] I realize others may differ in their reactions, but I am *profoundly* impressed. ==== "All things things come to those who wait." ~ French Proverb

Sun Jul 30, 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Again: Israel hardly *needs* to be concerned about "paying for its weapons". It is currently the recipient of roughly $6 BILLION a year from the US, with nary a "string' attached. (Most US military aid carries with it the stipulation that the funds must be funneled extensively back into *US* arms suppliers. Israel is largely exempt from even *that* minimal condition! It's like one big "free ride" for the Zionist war machine, without so much as a cursory survey of the wishes of the US taxpayers footing the bill.) ==== And as just recently manifested in Israel's request for "expedited delivery" of a stockpile of US bombs, when the Zionist state says "Jump!", the Bush Reich is quite inclined to respond, "How high?" >8^[

Sun Jul 30, 08:37:00 PM  
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Mon Jul 31, 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger Again said...

(sorry, had to "polish" my post)

nemo
Israel hardly *needs* to be concerned about "paying for its weapons"

maybe paying for the weapons - but the money for the officers having to feed their children, may be more important in the end...

and btw - please excuse - but the "$6 BILLION a year from the US" are actually from China, AFAIK

but it seems to me, that the "side-effect" of brute force is already in the making. Did you read Riverbend? Can you remember, how patient and tolerant she was - before the war?

And now, forced to watch her friends die, her existence be ruined, her freedom (as woman) totally destroyed - and maimed, raped children on and on...

Riverbend is a great girl - Bush and Cheney or Hitler and Stalin can't belong to the same species like her - but in the end...

hate will win...

after that long time of suffering, she seems to start to hate in the end - to hate not only the idiots thinking that brute force can support their profits, not only the followers, too blind and too mean to understand that brute force isn't only a risk for the attacked - but to hate also the bystanders, not caring about lifes of other humans - and in the end, also people like us, not able to stop the crimes

Mon Jul 31, 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Again: I'll dave to double-check that $6Bn number. I *believe* it's entierly "in the ballpark", but I could be off. Nevertheless, it's a very generous figure, and Israel is reported to have received the greatest US foreign aid of any nation om a long-standing basis.

Tue Aug 01, 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

{Sigh} Regarding the above, remind me never to post when my eyes haven't focused yet! :-{ ["entirely"; "on"]

Tue Aug 01, 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Again: I stand corrected. The most authoritative source I could locate -- from 2004 (though ostensibly rendered "current" via its citation in the March 2006 The Israel Lobby working paper, by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt -- is the following: Congressional Research Service : Israeli-United States Relations [PDF] ==== ... U.S. Assistance to Israel ==== U.S. aid to Israel was limited to economic development assistance until 1962, when the first, small military loans were made. Military "grants" began in 1974 when the United States waived repayment of part of a military loan, a practice that has continued through FY2002. Economic assistance earmarked for specific development projects or commodity purchases was dropped in 1975 when direct loans and cash grants for general budgetary purposes began. Since the mid-1980s, total annual economic and military aid to Israel has averaged $3.0 billion-$3.5 billion. ... ==== [The report, as usual for CRS, is an excellent compendium of information.]

Tue Aug 01, 11:26:00 PM  
Blogger Again said...

nemo
{Sigh} Regarding the above, remind me never to post when my eyes haven't focused yet! :-{ ["entirely"; "on"]

oooops - yes, i have to admit, i don't understand ;-)

and please, just an OT to you and JasonJ and brian or Robert - my reply to you on my blog isn't meant to correct (or heaven forbid even offend) you, but to show something. For me, it was an interesting experience to see mmmmmmms postings getting less offensive by just smiling about his attempts to anger me, simply ignoring them or applaud him when he got something right. Remember the first years of your child? What would have happened if you always allowed the little to control and manipulate you by simply being a "bad child"? If you always had "discipline"d your child "with the old tried and true methods of a good ole fashined spanking"? You might have taught him how to control you and others if he is just able to stand the "spanking"...

interesting idea - mmmm is old enough to know the "old tried and true methods" ;-)

The wise does not fight, therefore he is invincible - Lao Tse (Tao Te Ching)

Wed Aug 02, 01:43:00 AM  
Blogger Again said...

nemo
Since the mid-1980s, total annual economic and military aid to Israel has averaged $3.0 billion-$3.5 billion

so much money for nothing else than useless weapons. Why useless? Because the Israels feel as "vulnerable" as ever, no wall or nuke can help them to forget how easy it was to send them into the gas chambers. It's a trauma and traumas can't be treated by killing

it's said that the children of violent parents are violent parents themselves - the Israelis don't understand that the time of the victims is over and when the last Nazi has died and the last surviver of a KZ has died than the memory of the cruelties will fade away like the cruelties of Alexander, Caesar or Napoleon faded away. And then the victims of the new Nazis will remember what they had to suffer...

and the New World - far away from the degenerating America or Europe - not caring about a "Western Past" will see a war against civilians without blinders....

sorry, i yesterday watched our News - not really talking about the many childrens died because of a stupid war, not much talking about the oil catastrophe near Beirut, but showing how hard the life of the Israelis near the border is...

what was really surprising for me was that the village (i forgot the name) is near the border but the journalists live fine there and the Israelis are able not to care much about the war...

so please forgive me - this "war" can't be called a war, if you are able not to care about - if so few rockets reach your village that you can smile about...

"we are used to that", they say...

no one can be used to real war....

that's the main reason why Israel can kill children, because experiences of war are no more than of "bad accidents" - because the real suffering simply is far away and they don't have to pay for what they do like the Americans or the Germans before 1942/1943 didn't have to pay for...

Wed Aug 02, 02:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

... my reply to you on my blog isn't meant to correct (or heaven forbid even offend) ...: Again: No offense taken. (And naturally, none intended either.) My own "pointed" response there would have prominently featured a "winky" accompanying that "Signal-to-Noise Ratio" (for your edification), but I didn't want the ultimate recipient to assume I was merely joking. The fact that the "gentleman" can occasionally "behave himself", relatively speaking, doesn't make him any less malevolent. (Hitler, as I understand, could be a marvelous host at the AlderSchloss!) ==== I myself reject any strict adherence to "non-violence". I'm a staunch believer -- from experience -- in the "politics of confrontation" (with no promises made) when merited, especially since the efficacy of deliberate "non-violence" is highly "situational" at best! It absolutely requires a modicum of "receptivity" in its intended audience, which neither MM nor the Bush Regime have ever demonstrated the slightest capacity for. Their world views are inflexibly entrenched. ==== Moreover, I've seen *both* sides of the "spanking" issue -- I personally learned from it, whereas I'm well aware that others do not. But I wouldn't assume that MM was ever spanked -- he exhibits much of the same over-privileged narcissism that Dumbya himself does. But I'll tell you what -- the "two-edged" response may yet drive our fanatical wingnut batty in a stunning example of "good cop, bad cop". :-) [Though I have my doubts.]

Wed Aug 02, 11:15:00 PM  
Blogger Again said...

nemo
No offense taken

thanks, very much - because you know, i don't reply to each of your posts, but i do read them all (as long as you don't post on too old entries ;-) ) - and (btw - thanks again for the links)


Hitler, as I understand, could be a marvelous host at the AlderSchloss!

yes, he was called a "charming young man" AFAIK ;-)


I myself reject any strict adherence to "non-violence". I'm a staunch believer -- from experience -- in the "politics of confrontation" (with no promises made)

i guess, i know, what you mean but i guess, i'm a little more to the non-violence-side on the yardstick than you - but i'm also not convinced, that non-violence is always the right way to survive - in case of real attacks you have the right to defend yourself by any means. So Polands war against Hitler was the only way to go for them, but the Poland didn't have to tell the whole world how risky their life was - you simply could SEE it...

and confrontation? Yes, i believe in clear conflict management either - no "harmonizing" around sore points, but clear analysis and treatment. That's why i "believe" in politeness as a kind of "smoothing of communication", but can't understand the American (and others, btw) way of pretending to be polite by not telling the truth or even crying "excuse me" and pushing everybody aside - just another "neutral point" on the same scale, i guess...

But I'll tell you what -- the "two-edged" response may yet drive our fanatical wingnut batty in a stunning example of "good cop, bad cop". :-) [Though I have my doubts.]

if that means that you believe that he may change his "strategies" - yes, that's what i think, too - seems to me that his education in math and physics isn't that sophisticated - seems as if the american graduates aren't that well educated. Why i think so? Because he was impressed by just names - since then he either tries to "beat me with my own strategies" (links and arguments) but it seems to me, that "war strategy" doesn't really make him fun ;-)

btw: did you see the Guardian-link he offered? He seems to know not much about the Guardian to believe articles of that source can be used for Right-wing-theories - that's the result, if you only read Faux and big-biz-propaganda! But alas, this superficial link showed me two things better than any long comment of mannning - either he doesn't read what he defends so fiercely and/or he believed to be so clever to offer an incorrect link which (by simple means of being offered) should convince someone...

simply because of the fact, that he only consumes american propaganda, i guess, alternative 1 cannot really be doubted - but alternative 2 is something scaring, because this simply would mean that mannnning thinks, the "usual american lurker" is a very easy to impress imbecile...

reminds me of the last statement of the Brit ("Yo, Blair"-link): "Or perhaps [Bush] is merely pretending to be stupid because he thinks his countrymen and countrywomen are happier with the language and manner of a fraternity-house bully."

seems as if the people who - most of all - heartily disdain and scorn at Americans, are Americans themselves...

(btw: i don't think that Bush pretends to be stupid: to say, in front of an not-american, well informed audience outside your permanent propaganda machinery, the same things you talk to your Pavlov-dogs at home, simply proves one thing clearly: you can't see the difference between propaganda and the truth hidden by your propaganda any longer (or may haven't seen it ever) - and that's pure stupidity because to control propaganda you have to know the truth you want to hide: the basic law of a good liar...

Thu Aug 03, 12:34:00 AM  

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