Thursday, September 07, 2006

September 11- Through a Glass Darkly

(This post was written as the controversy about ABC's Path to 9/11 was first heating up. I have not seen the "docudrama" but by all reports, it makes my point nicely about the rapid revision of history. This post was written from the point of view of the "official" story of 9/11 simply for the purpose of discussion. Please don't write to me and tell me about Mohammed Atta's Illumunati mind-control implant.)

I don't think it's any kind of overstatement to say that September 11, 2001 is the defining moment of my generation. Believe me, I truly wish it wasn't. I would prefer to go back into the past and view the fall of the Berlin Wall or dream of a future where man steps foot on Mars as more hopeful milestones of the children of the 70's. But unfortunately 9/11 casts it's smoky shadow over past, present, and future and that doesn't look to change anytime soon. Because the disastrous War on Terror and the barbaric and illegal occupation of Iraq follow from that bright and deadly morning, it all becomes one bloody chain of events-inescapable and horrible.

The problem is that to understand where we are going, we must know how it is we got here.

There are three films about 9/11 I want to talk about. They are the made for TV, Flight 93, the big screen United 93 and Steven Spielberg's Munich. I have yet to see Oliver Stone's World Trade Center and I'm confining this discussion to what I've seen and not just word-of-mouth.

Most people in our media saturated culture don't understand just how powerful the messages we receive through film, television, radio, and to a much lesser degree print and the Internet truly are as far as shaping our reality. For many Americans, if it's on television or if it's said to be a dramatization of a true event, then it's The Truth. Period.

I had avoided, until very recently, any dramatized re-enactments concerning 9/11. I've studied the events of that day very carefully. Dozens of book, dozens more hours on the Internet, and close and repeated readings of the 9/11 Commission Report have given me a grounding in the official story of what happened that day. Further reading and study (including hours spent viewing the horrific footage in painful detail) have given me a firm grasp on the so-called "conspiracy" theories. Some of these are ridiculous and easily disproven. Some are entirely plausible and impossible to ignore if you wish to be truly honest about what happened. None of the theories, official or conspiracy, tell the entire truth. I doubt we will ever know the entire truth of these attacks.

When it comes to an event as important to the psyche of the American people as 9/11 it's important to be absolutely painstaking in the portrayal of events. The twin films Flight 93 and United 93 are anything but. Both films in, my humble opinion, are nothing but well done propaganda.

In avoiding the re-enactments of that day I hoped to be able to keep a kind of clinical distance and not be swept up in the emotions surrounding the human tragedy.

However, one evening a few weeks ago, I was bored and the made-for-TV Flight 93 was on. I debated with myself and finally sighed in surrender. It was time to see what Hollywood had done with these important truths.

I watched Flight 93 and it was quite thought-provoking. I'm one of those movie watchers that who has to digest what I've seen to be able to understand it. The emotions in such a wrenching tale made it difficult to analyze at the moment. But later I realized what it was that troubled me: the terrorists.

I've listened to every available telephone conversation that took place between the passengers of Flight 93, airline officials, law enforcement, and families. Not one has ever mentioned the behavior and conversations of the terrorists once they barricaded themselves in the cockpit of Flight 93. No one had access to that information. Yet the film feels free to show us the interactions between the four men. It's great for the dramatic tension and the tale would be odd and disjointed without it.

The only problem is that it's just not true.

So what? Why does it matter that the film shows what the terrorists might have done?

Because their are two scenes. Two scenes that show that are no doubt supposed to show the stark difference between them and us. The difference between the "Islamofascists" and us freedom-loving Americans.

During the scene in which the passengers decide to storm the cockpit the film goes out of it's way to show everyone voting about what to do. All in favor, raise their hands. Good 'ol democracy, right? This is entirely accurate. During several of the conversations, passengers mentioned voting to storm the cockpit. No argument there.

But later, one of the terrorists guarding the passengers goes forward to the cockpit to warn the others piloting the plane that the passengers are "planning something" and asks for instructions. The pilot, and obviously the commander of the operation, snaps to his nervous companion, "You will have to stop them. I need the others in the cockpit with me." The young man begins to question how he is to do this and the commander snaps "Just do it! Get back there now!"

Once again, remember that all of this is fiction. Entirely made up.

The message that comes across is that we do things democratically.

They do not.

Now, how the hell do we know that the terrorists didn't vote on who would face the angry, democratic mob that was about to throw a crimp into the plan? How do we know that the guy didn't volunteer? How do we know that there was just one terrorist between them and the cockpit door?

We don't know. And to portray such important historical events as a cheap infomercial for democracy is unforgivable.

You may think that I'm being a bit picky in my reviews of these films. Remember that despite the fact of repeated investigations disproving a link, and a widely-ignored denial by the President, 43% of Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

85% of American troops in Iraq believe the same thing.

Propaganda works.

I had heard that the big-screen, larger budget United 93 was much more harrowing, violent and true-to-life. I waited until it was released on DVD and rented it a couple of days ago.

All doubts about what kind of reality would be portrayed in this one was dispelled during the opening scenes of the film. The first words you hear are Muslim prayers. The first scenes are of the hijackers in their hotel rooms on the morning of September 11 bowing toward Mecca and reading aloud from the Koran.

Very subtle.

Once again, we have absolutely no idea what these men did before they reached their targets. We do know from eyewitness testimony that the hijackers of Flight 11 including Mohammed Atta, the leader of the entire operation enjoyed alcohol (Atta was a rum and Coke man) and the company of exotic dancers just days before the attack. A far cry from the portrayal of the hijackers in United 93.

Another moment that felt as if the director was saying "Look! Religious fanatics!" was an incredibly powerful scene when we see and hear various passengers tearfully praying. It fades seamlessly to the hijackers in the cockpit praying as the camera pans over the blood-spattered control panels.

However, the most unforgivable scenes were of the passenger with the French accent that kept trying to convince everyone to do what the terrorists wanted and to not fight back.

I really wish I was making that up, but it's true.

Not content with portraying the French passenger as a coward, the filmmakers go so far as to have him trying to warn the terrorists that the passengers plan to resist!

There is not one single account in any of the official records showing these particular words and actions. And I'm pretty damn sure that if there had been a French citizen or American of French descent aboard making a fuss about "surrendering", the right-wing media would have already trumpeted it far and wide.

Once again, such a deliberate distortion of the known truth of that day is beyond repugnant.

United 93 does succeed on a purely visceral level. The tension is exhausting as we watch the hijackers wait for just the right moment to attack. The acting is top-notch and the final struggle for the plane is stunningly filmed and almost unbearably tragic to watch. The portrayal of the hijackers in this film is certainly more complex and nuanced than the carboard bad guys of Flight 93 but the opening scene has already given us all the reason and motivation that is required for these men to commit such unspeakable acts.

They're just religious nuts.

Muslim religious nuts.

Reading this you might think that I am sympathetic to the 9/11 hijackers. Nothing could be further from the truth. I simply believe that if you are going to deal with issues of such incredible importance, you should stick with the facts and not try to distort them for whatever message you are trying to send.

I also believe that the reasons why people do things are quite important in understanding how to predict, and if need be, prevent such actions.

I'm just silly that way.

The medium of film is far too immediate and convincing to simply make up what you don't know.

The gaps in what we know about the behavior of the terrorists that day should not be filled with simplistic propaganda aimed at convincing the public that the hijackings were purely motivated by religion.

Some may consider the third film, Munich, an odd choice for a discussion of 9/11 propaganda.

The truth that everyone knows deep down is this: Without unconditional American support for Israel's oppressive policies towards the Palestinian people, 9/11 would never have happened.

To be sure there are other issues. Many others, including American forces being stationed in Saudi Arabia which is considered holy ground by Osama bin-Laden and many of his supporters. But the issue of Palestinian oppression and the role of America in it is what has unleashed the Jihad upon our shores.

This is violently denied by those who wish to believe the fairy tales of poor lilttle Israel fighting for it's life in a land of irrational hatred, their only ally the peace-loving people of America.

Munich tells the story of the Mossad-sponsored revenge against those responsible for the murder of Israeli athletes during the 1972 Munich Olympics. A highly-trained group of Israelis, over a period of years, hunts down and eliminates those responsible for the planning and execution of the attack. The film pulls no punches when it comes to the portrayal of violence that is both state sponsored and that which is carried out by those that feel they are fighting oppression. That is what I truly loved about this film. It shows that bombs and bullets don't care who is right and who is wrong. They kill and maim the righteous and unrighteous alike.

Munich has moments of great beauty, unexpected humor, and terrifying violence. It is an amazing accomplishment in filmmaking.

I was frankly surprised by this film. I'm a great fan of Steven Spielberg but when I heard that he was doing a film about Munich and it's aftermath, my heart sank. The last thing the world needs is another pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda piece.

Considering Schindler's List is, and rightfully so, the definitive filmed narrative on the Holocaust, a film simply showing good vs evil in the Holy Land, created by such a gifted filmmaker, could be devastating for decades to come.

Then something hopeful happened when the film was released: The right-wing blogs and talking heads hated it. How much a particular political film or book is hated by those on the right is usually a good indication of how truthful it is. The right can't stand to have their version of reality challenged.

Spielberg's main theme in Munich is basically, where does it end? They kill our people. We kill their people. On and on, forever and ever amen. And also that the line between soldier and terrorist eventually blurs and disappears. What angered the right was that the Palestinian cause was presented as just that: a cause. A struggle for a home.

The fact that this film was made by a Jewish director is one of the most hopeful signs in an otherwise dark decade for the Palestinian people.

What most people don't like to acknowledge is that Israel was formed by terrorism and that they stole their lands from the people of Palestine. The Palestinians have been struggling for half a century to get the land back whatever means is at their disposal and are considered savages because of it.

As Avner's mother says to him about the "founding" of Israel, "We had to take it, because no one would ever give it to us."

That the Palestinian people may want their homes back from those that stole them, and that the Middle East is not our private playground was brought home to a mostly clueless United States on September 11, 2001.

The poignant final scene of Munich certainly shows that Mr. Spielberg understands the unchanging law of cause and effect.

I am fearful at the re-writing of history that is occurring right in front of my eyes. The average American will take away from United 93 and Flight 93 that religiously insane anti-democracy thugs filled with hate beyond reason attacked America on 9/11. The filmmakers did not do service to the truth. They simply commercialized ignorant stereotypes and told us to revel in our deepest fears of "the other".

In Munich, we were given a glimpse into the dark heart of humanity's longest and most complex struggle for justice. We have been taking an eye for an eye for decades now and we are now reaping the rewards of our forced blindness. This film offered us a glimpse at how it was that we found ourselves in this place.

What will the story of 9/11 be a decade from now? What sort of atrocities will we be trying to justify with our ham-handed propaganda by then?

I fear for the future of the past.


Blogger Again said...

Most people in our media saturated culture don't understand just how powerful the messages we receive through film, television, radio, and to a much lesser degree print and the Internet truly are as far as shaping our reality.

exactly - and they do not only shape, but document what the people think who made the movie - and how they live

"You will have to stop them. I need the others in the cockpit with me." The young man begins to question how he is to do this and the commander snaps "Just do it! Get back there now!"

so, that's not american? I guess, only Americans can believe that - because that is exactly what American Bosses tell their foreign employees to do: not to discuss, just to do what they are told and not to bore the boss with asking for details how to do...

and as far as i've seen in the Michael-Moore-Movies - they treat the American employees exactly the same way, because the employees there are openly and overtly intimidated, no other thought in mind than not to lose the job...

Propaganda works.

exactly - and it works best without being detailed, specific and in-depth, quite the opposite

it truly works best the "Goebbels"-Style: perfectly knowing the "national mind", then using all the little hints and innuendos and symbols so well known by the people that they do not "see" and "hear" them fully aware, but "intuitive", so "en passant" - accepting it without full control of consciousness

then mix it with a little flattery how great the audience (the manipulated nation) is, how manly the men and how womanly the women are and that everything about them is always the best and then - last not least, to make the recipe perfect - tell them, that no one ever except the members of the chosen group is able to understand such a greatness (therefore, how convient - the "super-nation" should never ever listen to foreigners!!! - so you can be sure, that your manipulated mass will not learn anything else than what you feed them - and proudly so!)

ooooops - please keep in mind - i did write the above BEFORE i read that:

However, the most unforgivable scenes were of the passenger with the French accent that kept trying to convince everyone to do what the terrorists wanted and to not fight back.

wow - that's bad

United 93 does succeed on a purely visceral level.

yes - the "Goebbels"-Style

I'm just silly that way.

but you see - and you are the best example for that, Robert - that using your brain is a really good weapon against that manipulation...

hey, our brain is maybe the most sophisticated construction in the whole universe - it might be lazy sometimes but if we use it, it can protect us...

The fact that this film was made by a Jewish director is one of the most hopeful signs in an otherwise dark decade for the Palestinian people.

Spielberg shows the true task of storytellers - to explain what's hard to explain and to show how it should be - or at least, what and why things go wrong

and he wouldn't be a wonderful storyteller if he wouldn't understand that "homo homini lupus" - that the most evil tragedies are self-made by humans - and usually because of just the simple "we-them"-border between the violent and the victims, no matter, who the violent or victioms of that times are - they change always, Romans-Celts, Franconians-Saxons, Germans-Jews, Turkish-Kurds, Israelis-Palestinian, American-Terrorists...

but the origin of evil stays: the "we-them"-frontier...

I am fearful at the re-writing of history that is occurring right in front of my eyes.

it will not last very long - yes, USA of 2000 is stronger than Germany of 1940 was - and Germany did destroy "only Europe", so that the documents of the "re-writing" by Goebbels could be saved and stored to learn from (alas, it seems mostly by the Wannabe-Sons of Goebbels...) - and it easily can be that the power of USA is strong enough to kill anybody and anything able to store the movies and pamphlets of the right wing, aside from the fact, that there seems to be not a mastermind of propaganda here like Goebbels to focus on him)...

I fear for the future of the past.

don't fear for that - the past is written by information - processes, intertwined - no one can reconfigure the whole picture - so there always and ever traces of history remain to tell the truth...

as long as there is anybody left to read...

(btw: why did you delete your last post?)

Mon Sep 11, 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Robert: In case you hadn't seen this (or similar), it's quite a revelation concerning the Fascist conspirators working so hard these days to "control the past": Discover the Secret Right-Wing Network Behind ABC's 9/11 Deception, by Max Blumenthal ==== Less than 72 hours before ABC's "The Path to 9/11" is scheduled to air, the network is suddenly under siege. On Tuesday, ABC was forced to concede that "The Path to 9/11" is "a dramatization, not a documentary." The film deceptively invents scenes to depict former President Bill Clinton's handling of the Al Qaeda threat. ==== Now, ABC claims to be editing those false sequences to satisfy critics so the show can go on - even if it still remains a gross distortion of history. And as it does so, ABC advances the illusion that the deceptive nature of "The Path to 9/11" is an honest mistake committed by a hardworking but admittedly fumbling team of well-intentioned Hollywood professionals who wanted nothing less than to entertain America. But this is another Big Lie. ==== In fact, "The Path to 9/11" is produced and promoted by a well-honed propaganda operation consisting of a network of little-known right-wingers working from within Hollywood to counter its supposedly liberal bias. This is the network within the ABC network. Its godfather is far right activist David Horowitz, who has worked for more than a decade to establish a right-wing presence in Hollywood and to discredit mainstream film and TV production. On this project, he is working with a secretive evangelical religious right group founded by The Path to 9/11's director David Cunningham that proclaims its goal to "transform Hollywood" in line with its messianic vision. ... [Obviously, factual HONESTY doesn't fit in well with that particular "messianic vision".]

Mon Sep 11, 03:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

The fruits of the purportedly 9/11-provoked "war on terror": massive carnage, destruction, and (quite predictably) TERRORISM by the US and others: 62,006 - The Number Killed in the "War on Terror" ==== The "war on terror" - and by terrorists - has directly killed a minimum of 62,006 people, created 4.5 million refugees and cost the US more than the sum needed to pay off the debts of every poor nation on earth. ==== If estimates of other, unquantified, deaths - of insurgents, the Iraq military during the 2003 invasion, those not recorded individually by Western media, and those dying from wounds - are included, then the toll could reach as high as 180,000. ....

Mon Sep 11, 03:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

And in preparation for 9/11 Propaganda Day, the media and other power-brokers moved into full blitzkrieg mode against those in a solid position to know, who've cast VERY serious doubts on the validity of the officially sanctioned "terrorist conspiracy" theory foisted on us by the recognized LIARS of the Bush Reich. Quite tellingly, in my mind, genuine "crackpots" are rarely assaulted en masse by government, media, and other Establishment powers. Only the truly "dangerous" -- those FAR too close to the truth -- typically "merit" such a concerted campaign of attacks: SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH ASSAILED: Members and movement attacked from several directions ==== Three professors who are members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth have been threatened with the loss of their positions for their research and teaching about the events of 9/11. Other attacks are coming from national magazines, such as TIME and U.S. NEWS, which have cover-stories this week suggesting that those who believe 9/11 involved a conspiracy may need psychological counseling. In addition, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics have published pieces intended to bolster the official account of 9/11. ==== "This flurry of activity suggests that the government is becoming desperate in its efforts to keep the truth about 9/11 from the American people," said James H. Fetzer, the founder and co-chair of the society. "But I don't think it's working." Fetzer finds attacks on faculty members, including Kevin Barrett, a humanities instructor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Bill Woodward, a professor of psychology at the University of New Hampshire, and Steven Jones, a physics professor at Brigham Young University and the society's co-chair, especially disturbing. ==== "According to the government, 9/11 is 'the pivotal event of the 21st century,' which changed everything", he observed. "So it obviously deserves to be studied. College and universities are the institutions that undertake the study of significant historical events. The very idea that faculty should not be studying the events of 9/11 verges on the absurd," he remarked. "And since the official account -- that the events of 9/11 involved 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacking four commercial airliners and perpetrating terrorist acts under control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan -- involves a conspiracy, it is impossible to study 9/11 without dealing with conspiracy theories." ==== Fetzer thinks the administration wants to suppress serious research on 9/11 because the official account cannot withstand scrutiny. "What the government has told us is just fine if you are willing to believe impossible things," he observed. "Its truth requires violating laws of physics and engineering that cannot be violated and cannot be changed." He offered a recent piece from NIST that attempts to resolve "frequently asked questions" as an illustration. "We have posted it on our web site at along with several critiques. I invite anyone to review that exchange to determine if the official account has any basis in science. It does not." ...

Mon Sep 11, 05:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Perhaps the single BIGGEST failure in George Worthless Bush's enormous litany of utterly abysmal failures -- the promised apprehesion of the alleged "9/11 mastermind" (according to the "official story", at least), whom our vigilante Fuehrer quite curiously rapidly ceased to even "think much about": The hunt [The Guardian] ==== Armies have been mobilised, phones tapped, huge rewards offered - yet Osama bin Laden is still at liberty. Does anyone even have the faintest idea where he is? ... ==== ... Six days after the twin towers folded into Manhattan, while dazed Americans fumbled for meaning, President George Bush promised to lasso in the al-Qaida leader, Texan style. "There's an old poster out west, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: dead or alive'," he told a press conference at the Pentagon. The order went down the line. Cofer Black, the CIA's counterterrorism chief, later told a subordinate, "I want Bin Laden's head shipped back in a box filled with dry ice." Yet five years on, a pokey video stand on the Pakistani frontier is about as close as anyone has got. ==== Rarely has so much brought so little. The US has spent billions on the search. It has mobilised armies, bribed informers, bullied allies, emptied bank accounts, tapped phones, abducted suspects and assassinated his henchmen. It has, without a doubt, seriously damaged al-Qaida's ability to carry out terrorist attacks. Yet still the scarlet pimpernel of jihad roams free. ==== The foolhardy words of the American general who promised a scalp by the end of 2004 have been quietly forgotten. Embarrassment has crumbled into recrimination. The Americans blame the Pakistanis. The Pakistanis blame the Afghans. The Afghans shrug their shoulders. President Bush wanted to invade their country and catch Bin Laden, they say. So why hasn't he? ...

Mon Sep 11, 06:04:00 AM  
Blogger Again said...

nemo (fine, to see you back ;-) )
Other attacks are coming from national magazines, such as TIME and U.S. NEWS, which have cover-stories this week suggesting that those who believe 9/11 involved a conspiracy may need psychological counseling

interestingly, not only national magazines - at least from Germany i can tell you the same - a mocking article about those theories...

as if it is so unbelievable, that a government blocking investigations causes suspicion...

Mon Sep 11, 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

I read so many things about 911 and watched many documentaries (I collect them), so that at the end, I don't even know what is plausible and what is not; I just gave up on the whole subject years ago, because my life has to go on (I am aware it is selfish but that's how I feel now). For some reasons I never believed the official version. I have my own little theory though. What I can say after watching all these documentaries, I found they had one thing in common at least: the explosions of the buildings that had nothing to do with the airplanes. They are all explained from different ways, and that is crazy because the eye of a camera from a different angle gives out different facts (people say the airplane was transporting explosives; others say it comes from the tank, others say there was explosives inside the buildings). The MSM always gave different versions and "explanations" for 911, they have been guilty since the beginning for not exercising their freedom of speech, because lots of information has been hidden and they are still hiding things from us. There are all this theory conspiracies, made in the US, there are also the ones from Europe (Gladio for example), and the ones from the Middle-East too (the Mossad ... etc).

I also remember the story of an airplane that disappeared from an airport a few months after 911, and the story never made it again in the media. I can tell you that in 5 years, people have time to forget, they have time to be brainwashed too. I did not forget this day though. Sometimes we have things that pop up just like that, a few days before the 11th September, we learn something new, then you try to retain these facts, and it still does not make sense. This is why I gave up. There was a reason to mark this anniversary: media did not convince us, they tried to make another attempt this time 5 years later, and they still did not convince us, and they don't care about these people, they've never been avenged. If we were gone with the same tactic in mind for Iraq after 911 to avenge the people from the attacks, I can tell you we would have bombed the shite out of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. But NOPE they did not; you see ... they are our allies with Usrael. Instead of that, we prefer to go kill innocent Iraqis or Afghanis; we prefer to go kill their women and their children.

I don't watch anymore Steven Spielberg's movies the day I watched "minority report" with Tom Cruise. It is the story of a guy that tries to pre-empt murders and violence with the 3 cogs. How easy it was to brainwash people to explain in real life they had to pre-empt WMDs on Iraq. There are tons of movies like that with the same theme "The Good" against "The Bad" or "evil" now. Notice "the good" always triumphs in the end, especially in the faith-based community. 5 years later, because of 911, we have 3 wars going on. Afghanistan. Iraq. Lebanon. And probably another incoming war with Iran. When are all these bullshits going to stop? The West is at a critical time of its History, troops stretched thin with bad planning since DAY 1. I never thought that day would be so close from our time. In Afghanistan, the Taliban is stronger than before, NATO does not even know what to do, they keep bombing and they keep coming in. Opium and heroine and haschischa (it's the Arabic name for weed) trade is booming to finance the freedom fighters, warlords are all over the place, Karzei is just an American puppet that gets the cash to shut his mouth. In Iraq it is the same thing. They keep blowing up OIL (Operation Iraqi Liberty) pipelines, they don't get along with each other (Sunnis and Shiites), and they want the US troops out. Lately the US troops have been losing in Baghdad and around the Sunni triangle. In Lebanon, it is same thing too. The Hezbollah used all the new technologies from Israel. The Hezbollah hacked into the Israeli system, and they were well trained for such a rudimentary army, and they kicked Israel's ass. Hezbollah is so big and popular that it makes Hamas look completely old-fashioned.

All these wars have something in common: the new technology of the West, the best one, can't do anything against these people because we keep calling them terrorists while we have the guts to invade them. I had never seen a country convincing so many people in such an intellectual dishonesty since Hitler's times. I have nothing against the fight on terrorism, but god damnit it's not the job of the US troops; it is the job of our secret governments.

I can tell you that everything that had been done in the Middle-East is going to be reversed within a few years. It is gonna go fast when I look at the opinions at the Muslim population in the Middle-East. Europe stopped financing the Hamas, and you know that the conflict of Palestine and Israel has always been a crucial issue, because that is how the middle-east is controlled between Sunnis on one side and Shiites on the other side. It was pretty well engineered by the West (The UK, then France, then the US) after WWI. 911 was the big slap in the head for bombing up people in Lebanon during the 80s and Lebanon will be again the new step of this conflict this time inside the Middle-East. It is 911 version 2.0 against US interests in the Middle-East. Thank you very much Europeans for not financing the Hamas anymore (France especially); now it is Iran that is financing the Palestinians, and it is Iran that may be the one to reverse the situation in the Middle-East on the Israeli Palestinian issue, because everybody in the Middle-East is agree with the Palestinian issue. This is why we have a tooth against Iran; nothing else. Iran works against western interests in the Middle-East; it is the only viable explanation. For them and many other people, Israel is indeed a terrorist state for them. There is no other word stronger than this one, and they employ it very easily; not in front of westerners, but between each other. There are also new political ties between Europe and China; it was not mentioned in the US news.

Yeah the Muslims that drink alcohol are called the Takfiris, and they are Jihadists first, then muslims at a 2nd degree, not the other way around. Muslims usually do not call them "muslims" but "heram" I think (heretics). They have more like western rituals, they blend in easily, but hey they are Jihadists and they hate our guts man. The game between the West and Islam is nothing new. It's been more than 1,000 years that we keep "challenging" each other. The thing I noticed through History is at some point, the big dogs, the ones that control our societies, change a few things with the Holy Writings for their own ideology, and this changes radically our way of thinking too. The Middle-East even before the Roman Empire was very advanced. The first oleoducs for example were not roman but came from the Middle-East, and Romans borrowed the technology to them. ... etc. But hey Muslims never did anything against me, they are my brothers and they should be your brothers too. Of course there is always a son of a bitch between them, like other civilizations. But when I am with them, I always blend in. When I think I was going to work for the FBI in Las Vegas to catch "terrorists", good thing I never showed up there.

You know there is one thing though that is very true. In this world there is the dominated and there is the dominator. We can't be equal, we just can't, and it’s not inside Human Nature and less for the interests of a nation. After 911 the US became racist. Racial crimes since 911 have been on the rise, and they've never found the normal situation before 911 and I think it never will, especially not in wars. It is a very tragic story, very very sad. I was born in the West, with all this admiration for the US, and I mean the most admirer that you could have ever found, I felt American deep inside my heart, I shared the vision, economics, ideology, everything, and after 911, 31 years later, my dream was shattered into pieces, and I'll never be able to stick the pieces together. For me it is a personal tragedy too, when I look at what the US lost, I also see that I lost a part of myself. I sunk into alcohol part because of that for a few years. I feel better now because I gave up. That's the only reason why I feel better. I don't want to fight anymore, we are not worth it. We were worth it a few years ago, but not anymore. Sorry.

Mon Sep 11, 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

You know there has been so many documentaries anyway, that anybody in the right mind cannot stick with the official thesis. Until this day, there is still 36% of Americans that do not accept or refuse the official version. The official thesis also is just paper crap, it is nothing compared to any documentary, it does not capture enough the human mind. Americans want facts with sound and images nowadays! And you know I can understand something though like I mentionned above but I did not write it with the right words, besides I was kind of mad when I wrote my thoughts. It was easy to convince Americans to go to war in Iraq because they had images and sounds in their television (television which means literally "LOOKING FROM FAR" how subtle huh?). I can understand the logic of the media in the US: Americans, although we can't generalize 100% but I do have a point knowing that Americans are TELEVOR, they watch TV like more than 5 hours a day, so it is in their culture, and they can only be convinced by words and images. Therefore all the 911 documentaries have a deep meaning too, and it slaps back the official version. Tons of 911 documentary against the official version, it is sure that the official version has been knocked out and that's what they get inside the age of information. For me 911 documentaries are first a war of information against the official version. There is no doubt, look all these documentaries did not reach the same conclusion. That is crazy, isn't it?

Because of images and sounds, they went to war in Iraq based on 911. And it happened because they kept showing us the twin towers (no word on the tower #7 though). They kept showing people falling off the towers, they kept showing us these damn towers 24 hours, 7 days a week non-stop, and with no respect for their deads, ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT. And this is what ticks me off: there was nothing human inside of that, showing people falling off the towers, that's pretty crual, and in the end, guess what ... we did the same thing in Iraq, and now Al Jazeerah keeps showing their population these images that you won't even see in the West. And these images in the Middle-East are as crual as the ones in the West. None of these regions are equally balanced. It is the war of information at any level.

You know what? When we were shooting the documentary "disaster readiness" and it has not been finished, we had difficulties to make people aware of terrorism without talking about the WOT, and in chosing somebody that would represent the documentary, meaning a political person that is very known from the medias. In this country, if you want to be known, and it is the same things in Europe the last few years, you have to have political backups and somebody that incarnates "humanist characteristics" with charisma and the choice to find that shrinks itself. We were thinking about Clinton. It may have changed since I am gone. Maybe they'll chose nobody, but just a simple American to represent everybody. That would be a wise choice I guess :_) But it's not up to me, besides I am not back to work.
I went to do this MRI. I did not receive the results yet. The doctor said they might put me in surgery. I told her I did not care, they could cut my legs if they want, as long as they stick me on a wooden boards with 4 wheels and 2 irons in each hands, then I'll be fine. No I am kidding.

I am going to bed soon I guess. I have not slept since Saturday nite and we are Monday. I did not sleep because I just lost my sleep with these horse pills of morphine, they got to me finally. I don't even know if I will go back to work. They are all waiting for me in my company, and I miss them.... but my health sucks.

Mon Sep 11, 10:23:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

I am American too.
Muslim too.
French too.
I am UT

Mon Sep 11, 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

Robert wrote: I watched Flight 93
I think it was yesterday, my wife was zapping on the cable TV and there was like at the same time 4 movies of "flight 93" from channel to channel. I think she watched one of them. I am not sure, I just don't watch TV at all. It's been 3 years that I stopped watching TV, I don't even watch a single movie, but sometimes, once in a while, I will watch the news to confront them with written articles, and I always found credibility gaps. This is amazing how they bullshit people, especially on Fox News. This is why I don't watch TV at all instead I prefer reading.

Mon Sep 11, 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

These fucking assholes want to attack Fallujah for the 3rd time

Dhahy, who lost 32 relatives when his father's house was bombed by a U.S. aircraft during the April 2004 attack on the city, said the U.S. military had threatened it would destroy the city if resistance fighters were not handed over to them.
Fallujah was heavily bombed in April 2004 and again in November that year. The attacks destroyed 75 percent of city infrastructure and left more than 5,000 dead, according to local non-governmental groups.
The police captain said anti-occupation fighters had increased their activities in the face of sectarian violence in which Shia death squads have killed thousands of Sunnis in Baghdad. Many residents of Fallujah have relatives in the capital city.

(Dahr Jamail in Iraq)

Fallujah is the 17th city of Iraq, and it's very close to Baghdad. I am not sure it's still the 17th city, they lost so many people in there, and they used white phosphorus as bad as napalm. Let them go to Fallujah: many people from Ramadi have family in Fallujah too. They have only a few cards left to remove before the lil cards castle of Georgie and Rummy in diapers collapses.

Mon Sep 11, 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

How about attacking Pakistan instead of Iran?

Pakistan's growing nuclear-energy needs and its leaders' determination to look to China for investment and know-how in the field are proving an important incentive for the latter's ambitions of becoming a global player in the nuclear-power industry.

While China itself is still in the process of seeking foreign help to expand its nuclear sector, government officials have made it clear that their ultimate goal is to build an internationally competitive nuclear-power industry and venture overseas.

Could we see just an inch of logic in this administration? Pakistan is the allies of the US, nope, the US is only friendly to Pakistan because Pak has the atomic bomb. Iran on the other hand, does not have the atomic bomb and wants to open its trade to China instead of opening it to the Bush administration. BUT ... The Bush administration on the other hand does not want Iran to open its trade because they don't want Iran to make money in R&D to build an atomic bomb within 10 years.

Conclusion: The US wants to make business with Iran but Iran does not want to do business with the US because Iran does not like the US.

Conclusion #2: Iran wants to get the atomic bomb as fast as possible before they get attacked by the US.

Conclusion #3: The US want to attack Iran because they are sure Iran wants to make an atomic bomb, although the Bush administration did say they don't want Iran to make business with other countries. Remember the US is only friendly to nations who own atomic bombs!

Politicians are nuts.

Mon Sep 11, 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

Nemo wrote: (btw: why did you delete your last post?)

Ah man there was an interesting video inside this post. It was a french video with english subtitles. I was going to reply to Robert's post, when I noticed that I could not access the thread. To top it off, this new thread appeared like 6 hours later at least. There are some splits in the Internet I guess between the East and the West Coast. NSA things... it's not the 1st time it happens (information control). And since I switched to Blogspot BETA version, I can't even log in to other blogs.

Here is the script:

In Japan, very little fat is eaten, and the heart attack rate is lower than in the USA.
In France, alot of fat is eaten, and the heart attack rate is lower than in the USA.

In India, very little red wine is drunk, and the heart attack rate is lower than in the USA.
In Spain, a lot of red wine is drunk, and the heart attack rate is lower than in the USA.

In Brazil, people have much more sex than Algeria.
And the heart attack rate in both countries is lower than in the USA.

In other words: drink, eat, have as much sex as you want,
What can kill you is speaking English.

LOL. It was done by a french school from Paris in retaliation of the french boycott I guess. Phreakin french, they think they are better than these Americans ;)

Mon Sep 11, 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

The problem is that to understand where we are going, we must know how it is we got here.
We know how we got here and we are headed in a catastrophe. When I go to the Islamists blogs, it is written all over the place: if Iran is attacked, she does not have the capacity to retaliate with weapons and they'll do what the West has been doing before switching to the war on terror: they'll use their secret organizations, and they are going to implant them on specific targets (the West, the US, Israel, then Europe eventually); and the iranian agents are pretty good at this. It is one of the most secret organization and nobody have an idea how they work, not even the CIA. I do remember their acts in France in the 80s. They bombed jewish streets, they gave us hell because of Ha in Lebanon; it was targetted terrorism, but we are used to it, we don't go nuts. Years later, we improved the security, and we do exactly what the NSA does: wiretaping, infiltration in mosques, watching people, information extraction, ... etc

We are just at the tiping point of this famous clash of civilizations. I think it was a plan of the CIA. In 5 years we went from a very minor problem (1 chance out of 80,000 to be in a terrorist attack) to a big thing that is going to break loose some of these days. We feed them with our ideology based on fundamentalism, and they grow bigger and stronger, and they do it the same way as we do, for universal values. Imagine them to be converted to our ideologies, and imagine us being converted to their ideologies.

Tue Sep 12, 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

Iranians are okey, it is a very special culture, and they do make sense when they talk, even in the islamist tribunals, kind of scary for the women though, but in Iraq we did not do better anyway, we installed islamists too, while Saddam Hussein was more on the western ideology for the laws in his country; it was the same logic than the laws from Louisiana, based on the Napoleon civic code. The Bush administration keeps pushing these people against us.
Iranians anyway never liked Americans, it is in their blood, because we are way too different, there is a cultural shock. Some of them are married to jewish women because they do have a jewish population over there. It gets fiesty sometimes over Palestine and Israel, but they don't divorce like westerners do.

I am more scared of Bush and the ones that have the ideology of Ben Laden: attacking in the enemy's country before they come to us. Remember Bush said once: "instead of fighting them on our soil, we fight them in their country" - That is the ideology of the pro Ben Ladenists and the Bushites, it is the very same ideology, very extrem and dangerous, because it is a fight without end, and through their terrorist attacks, they only keep rallying people among them, because killing is not right whether it is in the Bible or the Koran. Ben Laden is not a Muslim and Bush is not a Christian. The ppl of Indonesia became extremist these last few years only because of the US government that did a genocide in Indonesia. I don't agree when you talk about the Holy Land, we are welcome, but not the military occupation under the puritanist Muslims because they are against the technology of the West. The "other ones" have to declare a special law first, based on their moral code with the Koran.

And I am going to bed.

And oh... Thanks for the warm welcome guys :P


Tue Sep 12, 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

Crap I'm not even sleepy. I am going to read on the laptop in the bed. See ya!

Tue Sep 12, 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Two regarding the "reliability" of the 9/11 Commission's scope, information and conclusions: Gaping Holes in the 9/11 Narrative, by Robert Scheer [Truthdig] ==== Five years out from the attacks, why do we still know so little about what really happened that day? ... ==== Last week, Bush conceded that there were indeed secret CIA prisons, when finally announcing that the group of "key witnesses" to the 9/11 disaster would be moved to Guantanamo and for once afforded visits form the Red Cross and minimal legal representation. Some of them have been interrogated in secret for up to five years, with the Bush Administration left as the sole interpreter of what they revealed. ==== After five years of official deceit, it is not too difficult to believe that the isolation of those prisoners was done less for reasons of learning the truth about 9/11 and more in an effort to politically manage the narrative released to the public. ==== There is glaring evidence that the latter was the case. The 9/11 Commission report contains a disclaimer box on page 146, in which it is stated that the report's account of what happened on 9/11 was in considerable measure based on what those key witnesses allegedly told interrogators, and that the commissioners were not allowed to meet the witnesses or their interrogators. ==== "We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting." ==== In short, the most cited source that we have on what happened on 9/11, the much celebrated 9/11 Commission Report, was stage-managed by the Bush administration, just as it has controlled and distorted so much other information. ... ***AND*** September 11th, Our Report, by Marc Ash [TruthOut], especially The Bush Administration.

Tue Sep 12, 02:58:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

Check this out Robert:

German 9/11 Victim Defamed in "United 93" Movie

I don't know if it is the same movie you were talking about. French or German? Either way it is anti-european.

Tue Sep 12, 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

For flight 93:

So do cellphones work at 35,000 ft altitude and higher?

Tue Sep 12, 07:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Robert: Thoroughly in line with your own thoughts, expressed here. And well said, regarding "I fear for the future of the past." The Republikan Machine appears to be following Orwell's script quite closely: "He who controls the present controls the past; he who controls the past controls the future.": 9/11's Dark Window to the Future, by Robert Parry [Consortium News ; September 11, 2006] ==== As the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks unfolds, it has come to look less like a sad remembrance of the past and more like a troubling glimpse into the future, a window to a new-age totalitarianism that looms before the United States, where a powerful right-wing government tells lies aided and abetted by friendly media corporations. ...

Wed Sep 13, 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

"So do cellphones work at 35,000 ft altitude and higher?" ===== UT: 'Does a bear shit in a pay toilet??' ;-) : More Holes in the Official Story: The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls, by Michel Chossudovsky [Centre for Research on Globalisation ; 10 August 2004]

Wed Sep 13, 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

LOL @ the bear.

We've never debunked the Roswell crash in NM 50 years later, we don't know why JFK was assassinated, and for 911 it will be added to the already huge collection of unsolved problems, turning the story into a mystery, rather than rational reality, in short our questions will never be answered. It is only the official version that wants to describe History. I hate that. 911 gave too much power to our POTUS (Pres. of the USA). Tony Blair is going to be kicked out soon because of the failure of Iraq - and not because he waged a war in Iraq - although his popularity is higher than GWB. In the US we can't even kick out this clown with a popularity of 34%. The wheels of the American Democracy have been stuck a long time ago: people are hired to key jobs in the government only to cover GWB such as the Supreme Court, the FBI, the DOJ, NASA, and so on and so on. Investigations have been blocked after 911, just to convince the public to go to war in Iraq. A few decades later I am sure that History books will relate about Saddam Hussein as the mastermind of the 911 attacks and as a war criminal since he killed his own people. On the other hand at least in the US, History will forget how many people were killed in Iraq while we don't understand why the Rest of the World hates our guts after killing around 8,000,000 people since WW2. Just to give you an example that the system has been cheated ages ago the Pentagon has decided not to include anymore the number of people killed in car bombings and by mortars attacks to downplay this civil war in Iraq. Bush will say again that Iraq is safer than ever after destroying the Sunni triangle under the help of the Shias. Mission accomplished no matter what the losses are.

By the way there is a book called "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts" It is a book that tries to debunk unofficial versions. I did not read it (there are more than 3,000 books about 911) and I don't think I will never read it anyway. Between official and unofficial versions, it seems like there is a political segmentation between Democrats and Republicans, and unfortunately for reasons of historical contexts that shaped the culture of the USA (it is perfectly accepted by Americans) these segmentations are the roots that cause issues with foreign policies first and national security because they can't put national interests without politicization (look at the "select" intelligence comittee). These 2 last ones (FP and NS) are both intertwined and changeable for exclusive political partisanship. Just to let you know, I always considered it is also the cause of unsolved mysteries instead of going straight to the facts for the good of the people and their right in knowing not the official version but purely and simply the truth.

Here is another example with Hilary Clinton:

Stumbling on the Path to 9/11

Conservative columnists and bloggers are already touting a segment where, during the administration of president Bill Clinton, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Northern Alliance - allies of the US in Afghanistan - surround Osama bin Laden in his camp. They walk over sleeping terrorists lit by night-goggle vision, ready to knock on bin Laden's door to catch him alive. Suddenly, US national security adviser Sandy Berger aborts the mission, won't put his neck on the line, only the field agents' necks.

Wed Sep 13, 05:00:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

I am gonna try to go back to work on Friday. I stopped by at work, I miss my friends, and they miss me too. It feels good to know my coworkers are also my friends; I have the chance to work in an healthy environment in company of Larry Geisel the ex Senior VP from Netscape and very humanist people and a very diversified environment. I think it is the morphine dose that reinforces this impression. Once I am going to be off this drug, I bet ya anything I will have a different view than as expressed in today's thread :-) I am glad that the morphine keeps me alive and delusionnal too; it's pain-free and it became temporary my new religion.
Yesterday my phreaking doctor called me up. She received the MRI and she was so glad to announce me that I have no option than going to surgery. I have damaged tissues (or tissus?) with extruded/herniated/slipped discs and sciatical nerves stuck someplace in the spine which disabled me from doing anything. I can walk though, but I barely walk and all hunched, and the problem may get worse again. Anyway I am going to try another alternative than surgery; it's my flesh they are talking about, I don't want them to cut me. That's the last time before envisaging surgery. In the meantime I try not to give up on life. My life became basic, very simple, imagine me in a computer room, non-stop, just sitting down, reading, writing, and that is all. I do lots of thinking too about life and why we are here on Earth. I wake up at noon, go back to bed at 4 in the morning, just different from what I was doing in the past, and I am getting used to it. I just became a veggie but I will go through the stages to have a normal life, I have no other choice :)

Take care boyz.

PS: where are the girls lately? It became a male meeting in here lately. Besides I am disappointed that nobody takes part into discussion, I'm the only one posting my shite in here.

Wed Sep 13, 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger Again said...

I'm the only one posting my shite in here.

nemo, did you hear that? You are renamed, the english translation seems to be more apt for ut (at least, if you reword his statement in "nobody is posting here except for me" ;-)

Wed Sep 13, 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous UT said...

Sehr geherter Again;
Ja sicher. Es ist tote hose hier, und ich fragte mich, ob Jemand faehig ist eine kleine Erklaerung zu geben oder nur eine kleine Meinung der Leben zu lesen ... Ich bin begabt auf Deutsch zu schreiben, deshalb denke ich nicht, das war sehr anstaendlich :) Ich freue mich nicht ueber deine Meinung, kannst Du bitte spezifieren?
Ich wuensche Ihnen ein guten Tag ;)
Wierderschauen oder ... wieder schreiben mein Again. Es ist seit 20 Jahren dass ich kein Deutsch geschrieben oder gesprochen habe :)

But yeah you are right, it's cool with me, it depends on how you see life.

How good did I do in Goethe's language? It's been a long time I did not write in german. I hated translated technical words, I was more specialized in economics and I was a delighted reader of "Bild der Wissenschaft" in meinen jungesten Jahren. That is all over now.

Thu Sep 14, 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

Hochachtungsvoll, of course ;_)

Thu Sep 14, 12:58:00 AM  
Blogger Again said...

How good did I do in Goethe's language?

much better than i would do in French ;-)

Ich bin begabt auf Deutsch zu schreiben, deshalb denke ich nicht, das war sehr anstaendlich :)

but why shouldn't what not be decent, when you are able to write in German?

Ich freue mich nicht ueber deine Meinung,

and here i don't understand, why you don't like my opinion - i didn't say anything (especially sceptical or critical) about your posts, so i can't imagine, how you can "get" at my opinion - just noticed, that it seems as if you have overlooked nemos participation...

can it be that you are easily angered, ut?

Thu Sep 14, 04:56:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

I was just babbling in German, trying to remember my words, I think I may have employed the wrong words because I was not angry at the time I wrote this statement. Anger is usually the firewall to hide weakness of the Human Being.

I did not see Nemo's question or even words at all honestly, On the West coast even after clearing up my cache and changing browser, the posts appear with a delay of 2 or 3 hours, 12 hours sometimes; I explained last time there was a split in the Internet in the US. Proxy servers are based in California, and they keep mirroring to make it faster but it does not work 100%. In New Jersey (Josey) they also have servers failures with packets losses on the european side, this happens alot lately, and I keep receiving delayed messages 80% of the time. If it was in regards of 911, I cannot be spontaneous, for further evidences on 911, it would require an appropriate rather cartesian reply based on research and observations; it takes time and materials to construct a solid statement, it even takes investigations, and I am not into that at all. I really gave up on 911 for the reasons I explained a few days ago.

Thu Sep 14, 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

I was just babbling in German, trying to remember my words, I think I may have employed the wrong words because I was not angry at the time I wrote this statement. Anger is usually the firewall to hide weakness of the Human Being.

I did not see Nemo's question or even words at all honestly, On the West coast even after clearing up my cache and changing browser, the posts appear with a delay of 2 or 3 hours, 12 hours sometimes; I explained last time there was a split in the Internet in the US. Proxy servers are based in California, and they keep mirroring to make it faster but it does not work 100%. In New Jersey (Josey) they also have servers failures with packets losses on the european side, this happens alot lately, and I keep receiving delayed messages 80% of the time. If it was in regards of 911, I cannot be spontaneous, for further evidences on 911, it would require an appropriate rather cartesian reply based on research and observations; it takes time and materials to construct a solid statement, it even takes investigations, and I am not into that at all. I really gave up on 911 for the reasons I explained a few days ago.

Thu Sep 14, 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

Whoops again some issues with the Internet.

Thu Sep 14, 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Again said...

oh, thanks, ut, for the reply - explains all, thanks

and regarding problems with internet - seems, that nemo is again lost behind some cashes, proxies or firewalls...

actually (you know, i'm always linking strange things together ;-) )

servers failures with packets losses on the european side, this happens alot lately

internet problems, electricity crisis, unbelievable high numbers of illiterates and nearly illiterates, the "establishment" of "food-insecure", not to forget the omnipresent slums and weapons...

seems, as the American infrastructure is badly deteriorating...

i remember my visits in Denver and Las Vegas - while most visitors are impressed by the shining surface i noticed the sordid state of every place beside the rich glass palaces, the streets were full of dirt and holes, the people behind invisible walls all alone on their own (typical "city-behavior" or "elevator-behavior"). I looked at them and thought, it wouldn't be a wonder, that River Phoenix died slowly in front of their eyes, because they can't see other people - and talking with Americans, i understood, that they thought it to be polite not to look at each other and in a moderate way they would be right, i guess

but they don't do it moderate - NOT to look at each other - most of the people just don't do it not to be forced to care, so they can easily let other people die in front of their noses - not only River Phoenix, but now Riverbend and her Iraqi friends...

seems to be the "new Society of Social Darwinism" - where elderly people, housewives, disabled and jobless are only "structurally dispensable human capital"...

brave new world - full of strong people...

"The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. ...We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." - President Dwight David Eisenhower, 1-17-1961

Fri Sep 15, 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous UT said...

I'll reply tonite or tomorrow. I was at the hospital yesterday and today and I'm still pretty much knocked out.
I did not go to work today and I had planned, I don't think I will ever be able to go back to work for a while.

Fri Sep 15, 07:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Again and UT: Still here, just baffled -- this time in a few languages. ;-)

Mon Sep 18, 07:51:00 AM  

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