Thursday, November 02, 2006

Dear Lord I pray.....

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That this turns out to be true.......

I've followed this guy's rantings for years. He's lobbied hard(!) against gay marriage and has gone on record against the "evils" of homosexuality dozens, if not hundreds of times. Ted Haggard is probably the most influential evangelical pastor in America after James Dobson. His 14,000 member New Life church is one of the largest in the nation.

And according to this account, he enjoys sex with male prostitutes and though the above story doesn't mention it, the prostitute,who is scheduled to take a polygraph on Friday, says that Haggard also smoked methamphetamine in his presence.

It literally gets no better than this.

17 Comments:

Blogger politiques USA said...

Read this horrible comment:

Scary!! Look around you, this is taking place TODAY.

Please take the time to read this; it ought to make you think!

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his
thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration
overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of
America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the
name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia,"
explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the
entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until
it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a
stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he
described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said,
"If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then
let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has
survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great
civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that
all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn
America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History
shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of
two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an
individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be
bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The
histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and
Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for
autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria
suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques,
Bretons, and Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and
encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article
of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural
differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and
Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the
majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without m uch
effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin
Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our
own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by
tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated
ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage
all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the
melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure
that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their
differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and
antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a
50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and
business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic
identity, and I would establish the cult of "Victimology". I would get all
minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the
majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on
the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and
promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would
stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are
mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing
each other. A divers e, peaceful, or stable society is against most
historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged
to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they
worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A
common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not
strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical
conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus
Unum" -- >From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis
on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely
as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk
about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar
to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed
thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate.

Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established
multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of
'Victimology', I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration
laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for
America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant
symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound
silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson
Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to
destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read
that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew
that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly,
darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being
suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational
system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice
female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American
jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World
in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million
illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book
"1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth
building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply
in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster
stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and
destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream.

Fri Nov 03, 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

Ony loosely related, but positively explosive in its impact -- another astoundingly provocative "reality check" by author Chris Hedges. I'm constantly impressed by this writer's work, especially due to his breathtaking clarity, and this one absolutely wowed me: The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism, by Chris Hedges [www.theocracywatch.org, Nov 15, 2004]

Fri Nov 03, 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

PolU: Well, obviously that "KKK type of demagoguery" is right out in the open now for political bottom-feeders like Lamm: "American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery." ~ Henry A. Wallace, US Vice President, "The Danger of American Fascism" 1944.

Fri Nov 03, 11:38:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

Lamm since the beginning of his political career has always been famous to elaborate unsane things. From his point of view, if we had to give a title for this writing, it would be entitled "The rise and fall of civilizations".
That said, this kind of reasoning from Lamm did not pop up out of the blue. Since the failure of the war in Iraq, lots of megalomaniac people who tried to project their values outside their own world, are from now on condemned to adopt an internal viewpoint, because they are realizing that they are not a perfect society, and a lot of these people unconsciously are going to withdraw into their country because a society that is not perfect has no values whatsoever. To top it off, a society who has value is a freudian slip: a society with values only aims to a socio-cultural identity for the survival of their society first, then values secondly.
I will elaborate further, a coworker has to stop by at home.

Sat Nov 04, 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous PolUS said...

The West by global definition encompasses christian religion based on the color of skin (caucasian) and there has never been a social evolution ever since the XVth century for France or the XVIIth century for the US. If you want to see social democratic evolution, then we should go to Brazil or Venezuela, but the West from an anthropological point of view, is not able to adapt to socio-demographic or even reflecting those changes because they refused to see those changes, and it is the fault of conservatism. They failed to convert or integrate other foreign population inside their credo of Republic (France and the USA). In France, they failed to do that because of the urbanization model (social ghettos) and in the US they failed to achieve it because of the minimalist system. There are major differences though between France and the US, it comes from our culture:

- In France, most of french people, even if they know foreign languages, they will refuse to speak a foreign language, because by respect and tradition, foreigners have to speak french: foreigners are considered French only if they speak the language. The French credo lays down first in the language, then religion. In France, I always refused to speak English or other languages, even if I knew the language. It is only valid socially though.

- In the US it is way completely different: compared to France, social integration did not happen because social differenciation is a way to earn more money from the majority inside a multicultural system in the name of the elitist class. It is only valid from a capitalist point of view. This is why they need social differenciation to maintain their privileges: social exclusion creates profits. The american credo lays down first on power controling exclusively financial interests.

I am pretty sure there are different other reasons, but in life we can't have anything and we have to make choices. This is why I reject Lamm's speech.

Sat Nov 04, 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

Here are some comments about Lammer's speech:

George said:
"I found the Lamm speech so hard to believe, David, that I checked it out on
Snopes. (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp) and it is indeed
true but more context is given in the Snopes report. In fact it is over a
year old and in that sense consoling that it has not raised more alike and
at the same time worrisome that it has not raised more reaction."

Peter said: "My impression is that this is a growing movement in the background and
strongly resonating with certain political sentiments identified with
the red states. It's the object of Samuel Huntington's latest book (for
an interesting review, read this: http://hnn.us/articles/4987.html).
After slaying the devil of Islam in the Clash of Civilizations,
Huntington goes after multiculturalism, bilingualism and specifically
the Latino community (as a culture and a population).

There is of course something to be said for there being a dominant
culture within political entities as a factor of public identity. But if
the specific form of that culture doesn't have the internal strength and
coherency to make itself attractive, neither legislation nor cultural
war will succeed in imposing. One of the ways of killing a culture (in
the Toynbee paradigm cited by Lamm) is the systematic elimination of
nuance, something that became official policy a while ago when Bush
announced, "I don't do nuance".

The movement to create generalized paranoia among those who are ready to
be convinced that their values, reflexes, habits and privileges are
threatened is unlikely to produce anything other than intolerable
friction and further distance between communities. There is certainly a
causal link between the growth of gated communities for the wealthy who
feel they have a strong stake in the WASP cultural tradition and this
fear of another culture and language (Spanish) that was for quite a long
time the dominant language of vast areas of the U.S. It may be worth
noting that while the focus is on the Mexican (and Latino) "invasion",
the enemy is called "multiculturalism", which is a way of remaining
politically correct while implicitly condemning black culture, simply
because they don't mention it, but it is so obviously different from
WASP culture that it's fairly clear they have it in their sights.

There's hardly a nation in the world with an unambiguously homogeneous
culture, not even Japan. I see the assault on multiculturism as a
curious mutation of the "venerable" tradition of U.S. isolationism,
perhaps inevitable in a world globalized by the U.S. economy.

Stranger things have happened in history, but it ain't very pretty to watch."


Florence said:

"One of my hobbies is deconstructing people's arguments. Here is my input about the article. And the other side of the coin. Coins always have two sides, did you know? :-)

He says:
"If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America.

I say:
what does he mean by destroying America? Obviously it is destroying what makes America smug, self-satisfied, rich, but what is it? wealth? culture? english language? international power? or WASP values? what is America? Once we know that, we can argue about what would or would not destroy it.

He says:
'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

I say:
he forgot to talk about Switzerland. Maybe because Switzerland is a successful story!! I would not say that the relationships between France and Bretagne, as well as France and the Basque country, are a disaster or even are difficult. With Corsica, yes, it is difficult.

He says:
The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity.

I say:
Interestingly, he seems to see diversity and unity as being contradictory. I see both of them as being necessary for the health of a multicultural society.

He says:
People undervalue the unity! Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together.

I say:
I agree with him that unity is important. But, how do we unite people? That's a political/civic question I would say. But maybe my vision in very Francocentric. In France, and since we had a huge diversity of traditions and languages in the past (different roots), we decided to unite people politically and through the generalisation of a lingua franca, the French. This is not the case of Germany for exemple where people were united by common roots. Thereof comes our Republican ideals and strong Universalist principles. And also conception of 'la�cit�'. That's our way to live together despite our differences.

He says:
would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

I say:
Blaming the outgroup for your own problems is something very common. I think it is a big problem. Overvictimize yourself is also a big problem. I think that divides people instead of uniting them. Asking a nation to apologize for the deeds of their ancestors (as Bouteflika, the Algerian president asked to Chirac) is also problematic as it is to write down an official history. We should find a way to acknowledge the past and cope with its negative consequences while valuing fairness, equality, and justice.

He says:
I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'x! xenophobes' halt discussion and debate."

I say:
I think it is a problem that people get accused of racism for whatever reason. Personally, I still don't understand what racism actually means. Is racism cultural preferences? does discrimination necessarily mean that people are racist? Or aren't they rather ignorant or ethnocentrist or even sometimes only sadly pragmatic? Racism is a too strong term I think to qualify some behaviours and contributes to dividing and actually rendering people truly racists or installing themlselves in this racist identity. If people are afraid of Islam, are they racist? let me recall a contradiction in the French people. You all know that Le Pen was at the second round of the presidential election in april 2002. Are French people racist? when you see that in 2004 and 2005 (or 2005 and 2006, not sure), the preferred personalities of French people were respectively, Zin�dine Zidane , from algerian origin and Yannick Noah (French/Cameroun, black), you truly wonder. I have been in contact with
an organisation to fight racism in France (MRAP) and we have real difficulties to discuss those issues. One of the reasons, I think, is that we have no word to talk about a certain part of the population, namely children of migrants (from Africa mainly). How do you want to talk about something that you cannot even name? in France, and more generally in Europe, we have this big trauma because of the Holocaust (maybe also colonialism), so we have a kind of guilt feeling that resurges when we talk about things that may enclose people into particular culture, race,...That's my interpretation...

Also, what is very interesting is that black people in France but also in Italy (there was a suty done on that about comparative stereotypes attributed to various immigrant groups) and maybe in other parts of Europe, are better evaluated than north Africans. Therefore I think it is better to talk about ethnocentrism, or cultural differences rather than racism. If we don't understand the problem how could we manage to find a solution?

Something else, just to tell you that 'Idir', the Kabylian singer is a miracle. What he does is truly beautiful. Actually, the Kabylian language is one type of berberian language. It has nothing to do with Arabic and personnally I love hearing it... it is one of the most beautiful language I ever heard, together with Hungarian... Many sounds in Kabyle are occuring very close to the lips...I would love learning it but my problem is that I love to learn all the languages existing on earth, so... :-) "

Sat Nov 04, 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Pol US said...

All of that in the name of "PROGRESS".

Sat Nov 04, 05:05:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

A french blog (insidetheusa) predicts that the Democrats are going to be elected.

http://insidetheusa.net/2006/11/05/vague-bleue/#comments


We'll see.

Sat Nov 04, 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

I was just checking Google search engine and holy crap, why is my name "steven rix" mentioned more than 13,000 times on the Internet? What did I do?

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Sat Nov 04, 09:18:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

I was rollin' ... a joint.

Sat Nov 04, 09:18:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

I am sooooooo french.........

Sat Nov 04, 09:19:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

My nickname at work is "PARIS PIMP DOT COM" :) LOL

Sat Nov 04, 09:57:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

I replied to Robert's post.

Sat Nov 04, 10:41:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

Completely off topics.
The USAID is hiring people in Egypt and Lebanon and Palestine to know more about the avian flu. I received this stuff in my email on Friday...

Sat Nov 04, 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Nemo said...

PolU: Great stuff on the Lamm feedback. Those "arguments " of his indeed contain more holes than a Swiss cheese!. The name Victor Hansen Davis had also raised the hairs on the back of my neck in the original article from some vague, unsavory memory. Last but not least, just before spotting yours here, I had read a piece on Third World Traveller about Ronald Reagan's numerous bullshit assertions, many of which were ALSO prefaced by the faux "legitimizing" claim, "History shows ...". Both Lamm and Davis, it appears, are bigots, pure and simple, attempting to attribute all the country's "woes" to the most *recent* influx of immigrants and the imagined "ills" of cultural diversity, while totally ignoring the massively negative consequences wrought by EARLIER, European immigrants such as themselves, whose only clear motivation is to maintain the size of their "slice of the pie". ==== Aside from genuine Native Americans -- the red man -- there *are* no inhabitants of the US possessing any legitimate "prior claim", only various waves of *other* immigrants. So if Messrs. Lamm and Davis feel so strongly about the negative impact of immigration, perhaps it is THEY who should set the example and "go back where they came from", relinquishing their own spurious implications of "nativity".

Sun Nov 05, 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger politiques USA said...

Hi Nemo,

I am glad you liked it :) I belong to this multicultural group on yahoo, although I never posted anything, I always read the comments of these guys, these are insightful comments. The job of these people is to train and make people sensititive to multiculturalism when people expatriate themselves to another country for business or just to live in a foreign country. I know this guy named Peter, he is an American guy that lives in France; I met this guy on a blog, we share lots of common ideas and then he asked me to join his group on yahoo. He is a guy that loves the french system and always opposes the french system against the american system. His kids were born and grew up in France, and when he look at them, he said that his kids are 100% french. He can be proud of them, that is an example of social insertion; because I never knew what it meant to be "french" in this country. Also I wish I could say the same thing about my new country (the US) but because of the system and our culture we are different people. From my city Las Vegas, it gets even worse: it is a casino culture which means taking financial risks on the russian roulette to make more money. Besides this virtual world is managed by money, sex and power and glitters, there is nothing that much in this city, but political corruption.

In France, they kept hammering us about the US model (capitalism) since WWII, and since the last few months, most of the riots in France, usually put on the back of minorities (arabic people) without blaming the majority (the white french) are the social shaking due to globalization exchanges. At the background inside worldwide institutions such as the worldbank or the IMF, countries have been driven into prosperity model, and in order to achieve it (like France or Germany), countries have to cut down on unemployment, and other things. It means that all these social priviledges have been removed, and this is why people from France, and not only the majorities, are fighting against the removal of their priviledges. People in Europe had it made, compared to Americans.

In the US system, what I do not like is we are people that run after money. It is all about money, and money, and I think we are nothing without money, because social prestige comes from money. There are other wierd things I found in the US system. For example, at work, people never shake hands in the morning. In France, it is considered very impolite, in the US it is okey not to shake hands. That said, I always shake hands in the US, especially in my company and even with business guys, to make the days go by faster, increasing productivity, humor and removing stress. Shaking hands is also a very important gesture so that people can face their own responsibilities with mutual respect. Shaking hands also allows me to detect the degree of emotion inside a person and how to deal with it. There are lots of stuffs like that, I think I could even write a book about that. You know it took me a while to understand how the system works in the USA and how american culture was built with History and events. I just regret that I had to learn everything all by myself and that what they said about the US in France is not necessarly true in front of my eyes since I live in the US. I think i have to accept things that I cannot change, and other things that we can change :)

Sun Nov 05, 05:53:00 PM  

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